June Poll Shows Secession from the US is a Winning Issue in many Southern States

2/3 of Republicans in the South support Secession

It’s time to create secessionist organizations in Louisiana and Alabama.

A new YouGov scientific poll shows that support for secession has grown greatly since early February.  Now, as of June, it is almost the majority view among those polled in the American South, which includes non-citizens and others not registered to vote.  Perhaps among likely voters, it’s already the majority.

Since two-thirds of Republicans in the South supported it in June, it’s likely that the more conservative states support secession more than the average state in the South, which had 1.17 Trump votes per Biden vote.  So it is very likely that a majority of residents of the most conservative states of the South already support secession, including Alabama (1.7 Trump votes per Biden vote) and Louisiana (1.47 Trump votes per Biden vote), two states that are not land-locked.

The form of the question polled was: “Would you support or oppose [your state] seceding from the United States to join a new union with [list of states in new union]?”

These results are particularly encouraging because the opinion of Republicans is more politically powerful than the opinion of others in conservative states, since the elected officials atop their state government are Republican.

Why Alabama and Louisiana need secession organizations, just like Texas has

Of all states in the US that are not land-locked, Alabama has the most conservative voting record, and Louisiana is in second place. It only takes one state declaring independence to force other states to make a decision on whether to join that state in a new union or face the prospects of staying in the old Union with fewer red states. This is likely to begin with a state that is not landlocked, so that the state’s overseas trade can’t be stifled by the customs department of the US, or a lack of permission for overflights of US territory.

More than other states, there’s one reason why it’s a little difficult for Louisiana to obtain the acquiescence of the US on secession: Louisiana’s stranglehold on the Mississippi River makes it of strategic importance to the entire central US.  But a state like Louisiana or Alabama could declare that its independence would not be effective until certain other states had joined it in a new union.  For Louisiana, the advantage of doing this is that if many states of the Mississippi Valley join Louisiana, then that new union deserves control over New Orleans more than the US does.

Minnesota and Illinois are the only blue states in that watershed, and both states have access to international waters through the Great Lakes to the St. Lawrence Seaway, which is reachable from the Illinois River.  The states north of Louisiana are very conservative: Arkansas (1.79 Trump votes per Biden vote), Oklahoma (2 Trump votes per Biden vote), Tennessee (1.62 Trump votes per Biden vote), and Kentucky (1.72 Trump votes per Biden vote).  All of the red states except Alaska are contiguous.

Louisiana has a robust economy aided by off-shore oil. Depending on the price of oil, it’s sometimes a donor state to the federal government, meaning that the people of the state give to the feds (through taxes) more than they get from the feds (in federal spending).  Since the federal government spends more than it taxes (because of huge budget deficits), it’s not surprising that most states are “taker” states.

Alabama’s status as a “taker” state would not matter if the federal government loses the ability to fund states. The US economy will eventually hit another depression.  This could happen soon through a sovereign debt crisis caused by loss in confidence in the ability of the US to repay loans, or a loss in confidence in the US gov’s willingness to restrain itself from printing so much money that the dollar becomes worth much less.

Even now, the amount that the worst “taker” states receive from the federal government is not a great percentage of income.  And the feds waste most of that money anyway, so it wouldn’t be a great loss if a state secedes. Alabama wouldn’t have to replace all of the federal spending, even if it did choose to replace federal taxes.   Unlike businesses, neither households nor states need to make a “profit.” They just have to cut spending to match their revenue.  Just because the feds choose to give money to poor states doesn’t mean those states are “dependent” on the feds.  Welfare queens can always take a bus to a blue state if a red state secedes.

Next step for the secessionist movement

It’s easier to click “support” in an online poll than it is to take a risk on actually seceding.  But this poll is the best news we’ve seen yet for the secessionist movement. We strongly believe that it’s time to create a secessionist organization for Alabama and for Louisiana.  Such an organization could channel the will of the people into a force that would engage in state politics to pressure or even primary politicians who don’t work for the secession of their state.  It would educate the public, to inoculate them against the lies of the mainstream media about secession.

Citizens for Greater Idaho was able to obtain quite a bit of news coverage and momentum from A) getting permission to gather signatures in some counties to force a question onto county ballots, and B) actually winning elections in 7 counties. A similar strategy could work for a secessionist movement in Louisiana or Mississippi.  A single deep-pocketed donor could make this happen, or a just a handful of volunteers with pocket change.

Unfortunately, Alabama doesn’t allow ballot initiatives (referendums) on topics like this.  According to Ballotopedia, the city of Birmingham is the only locality in Alabama that allows such a thing. But Ballotopedia says of Louisiana:

·  The power and process of petitioning for the amendment of charters is mandated by State Law for all 23 Home rule counties and all 31 Home rule cities, towns, and villages.

·  Approximately 15 charted counties out the 23 total had explicit provisions for initiative and referendum for ordinances in their charters.

·  Approximately 15 charted cities, towns and villages out of the 31 total had explicit provisions for initiative and referendum for ordinances in their charters.

Mississippi had a statewide initiative process until May 2021, when the MS Supreme Court determined that the process was broken. If the MS legislature fixes the initiative process, then MS might be a good state to try. Secession historically has been as popular in MS as in AL or Louisiana, but MS only has 1.4 Trump votes per Biden vote and it benefits from the difference in federal taxes and federal spending more than any other state. Mississippi still has a working initiative process for amending the city charters of any of its 298 cities, towns, and villages that could be useful, although cities aren’t as conservative as counties.

None of these three states has an avenue for statewide referendums, constitutional amendments, or constitutional conventions, without going through the legislature. Thus, Alabama efforts will have to focus on working through the state legislature.

Where to start?  Well, I’d do a poll of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. Create a new organization for at least Louisiana and Alabama.  League of the South is explicitly racial, and hasn’t made much progress. Elected officials don’t have the guts to be seen talking with them. Off the top of my head, I can think of one organization in Alabama that might be able to give you a couple pointers or help you network with others: The Mises Institute.

Let’s not neglect Texas

The Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM) recently announced a drive to gather enough signatures to put secession on Texas Republican and/or Democratic Party primary ballots statewide.  If you live in Texas or Oklahoma, obviously you should be assisting this effort, unless you have reason to believe that TNM won’t be able to recruit enough volunteers to get it on to either statewide ballot in time.  

Yes, it’s disappointing that during the 2021 legislative session, less than 10 Texas state legislators were willing to associate their names with TNM’s effort to get the Texas legislature to give the voters a vote on secession.  Maybe this is because of the heavy flak the mainstream media fires at such legislators. But this poll shows that the public supports it, and a referendum would be successful if it gets on the ballot.

Texas voted 1.12 Trump votes per Biden vote, but demographics (low birthrate for Anglos) are against Texas remaining red unless it secedes and redefines who has the right to vote in Texas (you don’t necessarily get Texas citizenship just because you’re a US citizen, unless the Legislature chooses to make that so).  Across the US, Dems are graduating a new crop of brainwashed students every year, and giving the right to vote to almost a million foreigners per year.  Yes, I know the election results weren’t accurate in some states but I didn’t hear a lot of news from Texas on this. 

Frankly, the energy on the Right for Texas secession is naturally going to be stunted in a purple state like Texas, as compared to a red state like Alabama or Louisiana.  What’s the fun of creating a new country if the Dems might take it over? On the other hand, I found that in 2017 Texans were twice as likely to “like” or “share” my secession Facebook ads as compared to Alabamans or Louisianans.  I think this means that Texans have a culture where it’s more acceptable to be seen by your friends advocating for secession, because Texan nationalism is still strong, but Alabamans and Louisianans think of themselves as “Americans.” But now that the ruling class of the US is seen as opposed to Americanism and real Americans, there’s an opening for secessionism to become popular in any red state. 

Closing thoughts

Honestly, I don’t know what changed between the poll in February and poll in June to make secession more popular. I’d be interested in your thoughts.  Perhaps it just took a few months for people to process what they’d learned from the theft of the presidential election, the media’s success in pushing the Supreme Court to support the steal, and the failure of Congress to correct this mess. Or maybe it took this long for Q followers to accept the reality that conservatives have no power in a 50-state Union.

Can you imagine the sense of purpose society would feel after secession, to build a federation of red states into the greatest country the world has ever seen? To make it prosperous and strong through their own work or entrepreneurship, through educating their kids?  A federation that loves truth, God, goodness, righteousness and justice? We lost that in the 1960’s. But the red states would strive to be stronger and better than their neighbors, the blue states. I hope you didn’t miss our most important essay of 2020. Also, our most recent survey of the secession movement in the US was in December.

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UPDATE: Minor details and a state-by-state guess

Minor details:

An oddity of these poll results is that the overall number for the South is only 44% in favor while independents and Republicans in the South are at least 50% in favor. This is only possible if most of the Southerners polled were Democrats. Yet the South always votes Republican overall nowadays. So a more representative sample of the South would have given a higher number for the overall South.

If we ignore that number we can calculate our own if we trust the poll results given by YouGov for Southerners of each party, and use Gallup Polling’s estimate of the percentage of Southerners who are Dems, independents, and Republicans (41%, 18%, and 41%). But that gives us the exact same number YouGov found: 44%. The problem seems to be that Gallup reports that Republicans and Democrats are equally strong in the South, but election results strongly favor Republicans, perhaps because of Gallup polling issues or the difference in opinion between the residents who actually vote and the residents (including non-citizens) who don’t.

If we assume that all Southern Trump voters are Republican and all Southern Biden voters are Dem, then Southerners are 45% in favor of secession.

We tried to estimate the overall number in favor of secession of the Southerners who voted in 2020 for president by assuming that the people who voted for Trump were Republicans or independents, and for Biden were Dems or independents, assuming that 18% of the voters were independents, and half of the independents voted for each candidate. We get a number of 46%.

state-by-state guess:

Yes, we know there was rampant fraud in 2020 in Georgia, but there might have been fraud in 2016 too so we’ll use the number wikipedia gives us for 2020. Using the method in the previous paragraph, we calculated for each southern state. This method assumes that in each state, the Dems are 20% in favor, independents are 50% in favor, and Republicans 66% in favor. So the better Trump did in a state, the more secessionist, in this method. Of course, in reality Texas is much more in favor than the average southern state according to previous reports.

This method gives us these results (but in reality we don’t know which states are more in favor of secession):

If you’d like to see actual state-by-state polling, look at our 2017 data here: https://redstatesecession.org/unreported-2017-reuters-poll-shows-states-ready-to-secede/

See our newer article about this.

25 thoughts on “June Poll Shows Secession from the US is a Winning Issue in many Southern States

  1. Any state or region that secedes needs to have a plan to prevent blue-ification by demographics and birthrate. You’ll be called racist but you need to have a way of maintaining the culture you believe and feel comfortable in.

    1. You can write a constitution that is designed to preserve conservatism. Conservatism is just the idea of minimising change, so requiring a large majority (e.g. 80%) to pass any legislation and a small minority to repeal it (e.g. 30%) can achieve that. Also requiring that all laws outside the constitution have a builtin expiration date.

      Cultural change also happens as a result of immigration so the constitution would need to place structures limits on immigration like no more than 1/10000th of the nation’s population in migrants per year.

      Finally, external media and the propaganda it carries would need to be blocked by placing a firewall on the internet and outlawing importation of any media not offer than say ten years. Both of these measures would also enable domestic tech, film, and news industries to flourish.

  2. Hello, folks. Just wanted to say a few things about the United States’ government, democracy, and factions. Ok. Well, the US actually has a very good system of government so that is not the problem. The problem more has to do with what happens when you have really fundamentally incompatible factions within the same country. Basically you end up where one man’s meat is another man’s poison. In this case, especially with a democracy in which one faction attempts to impose its will on others, you end up with a situation which is really not satisfactory to anyone.
    So here is the deal, most Americans are not that concerned about the international affairs. The problem is more domestic. The thing is there are a lot of foreigners within America. It isn’t so much a matter of language but more of temperament, background, values, culture etc. One size is not fitting all. Some folks want individual liberty above all else. Some folks are very pro business. Some are warmongers. Some are devoted to religion whereas others are entirely secular. Many are involved with various types of identity politics. A lot want welfare. Some are elitist. Some are populist. There are a lot of people here who just need their own separate countries. There would be areas dedicated to god and guns and liberty and others to science, education, health, welfare, medicine, art, classical music etc. Let’s have some real diversity in just letting folks go their own way and ruling themselves and living as they see fit in a manner which is appropriate to them.

    1. Either the constitution has authorized such a government as we have had or has been powerless to stop it. Lysander Spooner. It’s a rough pill to swallow but the constitution, as philosophically inspired as it was, wasn’t perfect. Just think, communism had never been imagined when it was written and we only knew a few of basics of economics and legal theory, and not well founded at that. We’ve learned SO much since then. For instance, the founding fathers had some idea that state sanctioned money monopolies were harmful, but didn’t have Rothbard to explain “What has government done to our money”. I’m so glad the Mises Institute was mentioned above, because they are THE source of sound economics and ethics in a world where such ideas are contorted to whatever politicians need them to be.

  3. This is awesome news, Red State.

    A couple of points: everybody who has time to fill out a survey every few days should get on the yougov list so that our point of view can be heard more. (You get points for each survey filled out, and all you have to be is honest.)

    Second, the Abbeville Institute is in South Carolina i believe, although von Mises is indeed in Alabama.

    There are alt-right and alt-south people in Alabama that we have a common cause with, even if we don’t agree on all the details. They’ve also noted this good news from the poll. (Search for “Nationalism, Populism, Reaction”.) Maybe if we all pull together we can give our people a new lease on life.

  4. Imagine living in a country with very few leftists. The right constitution could also slow down a leftist, Democrat take over. The left really needs their own country.

  5. The dishonesty and corruption of the Democrat party in collusion with the mainstream media and social media platforms requires a re-examination of the country. The Constitution and the Bill of Right are in jeopardy. So far Republicans have been too weak and even cowardly in reacting to the intolerance and intimidation of Democrats and their violent supporters reminiscent of Hitler’s “Brown shirts”. The Supreme Court and many in Congress may have been intimidated to remain aloof from the highly suspicious presidential election result with so many indications of major ballot fraud. George Washington’s Farewell Address provided a sound guidepost for the nation which has been discarded by contemporary elected fools and liars in Congress including the leadership.

  6. The leftists are just the surface problem. The real problems are the Chinese Communist Party and the globalists trying to destroy us behind the scenes. We would have to keep them out somehow.

    1. The root of the noxious tree is the international system of usury and banking cartels. All its fruits are poison. You are given a false choice. Capitalism or communism. Fox News or CNN. Trump or Biden. Civic nationalism which allows for massive Third World legal immigration or “liberalism” that simply throws the borders open, “law” be damned. At some point you must realize you are being played for a fool. Just what is the ethnicity of this shadowy cabal of string-pullers operating behind the scenes? I can most assuredly inform you they are not “Chinese,” despite what the carnival-barking buffoon and conman Alex Jones may tell you. That our true enemy, a certain tribe of hook-nosed malefactors, should be shown the door? That I do not at all dispute. They already have a country nestled on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean; they should be, um, compelled to go there.

      1. Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, and Murray Rothbard were Jews, to say nothing of how many other Jews have made profound contributions to the cause of liberty. Heck, grouping people like that is exactly one of the main ways the left has motivated the movement we’re discussing now.

  7. “Can you imagine the sense of purpose society would feel after secession”

    What you adumbrate here is none other than the poignant wave of euphoria that shall envelop the hearts of Americans of unalloyed European descent at having reclaimed their existential destiny. A fully realized, headlong rush into what is the very point of our earthly existence: belonging to a blood and soil folk community.

    This can never be achieved by a bloodless, faux-enthusiasm for musty old historical ducuments (“muh constitution”) and tedious, pseudo-intellectual debates about the alleged evils of “socialism.” To live and if need be die to secure the flesh and blood life of our European people – that is the meaning of our lives.

  8. I’m surprised the mountain states are the least interested in secession. Must be because the Colorado population has an outsized influence on the results. Colorado population is equal to the others combined. Probably without Colorado they are the most willing to secede.

    1. Err, didn’t realize mountain states included nm, az, nv. So scratch my population math. But id, wy, ut, sd, nd probably support secession.

  9. I Was going to go on a rant about the good news from this good article. But I saw a couple comments talking about a constitution. So why not write one out instead. It would probably be more productive than what I was originally going to write about.

    Feel free to add on to anything you see wrong with this or something you think should be put in. It really is just a copy paste of the original Constitution with slight alterations.

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, protect its borders and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Never willing to deprive her sons and daughters the pursuit of happiness. Invoking the favor and guidance of our almighty God. Do ordain and establish this Constitution for the free and independent republic of the United States of America.

    The union, as the language the Constitution is written in, will use Americanized English as the official language.

    Article 1

    Article 1, Section 1
    All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Article 1, Section 2
    The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several States, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State Legislature.
    No person shall be a representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty-five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.
    Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by the number of citizens. The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they shall by law direct. The number of representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty thousand, but each state shall have at least one representative.
    When vacancies happen in the representation from any state, the executive authority thereof shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies.
    The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.

    Article 1, Section 3
    The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each senator shall have one vote.
    Immediately after they shall be assembled in consequence of the first election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes. The seats of the senators of the first class shall be vacated at the expiration of the second year, of the second class at the expiration of the fourth year, and of the third class at the expiration of the sixth year, so that one-third may be chosen every second year; and if vacancies happen by resignation, or otherwise, during the recess of the legislature of any state, the executive thereof may make temporary appointments until the next meeting of the legislature, which shall then fill such vacancies.
    No person shall be a senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.
    The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided.
    The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States.
    The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the members present.
    Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

    Article 1, Section 4
    The times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing senators.
    The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3rd day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

    Article 1, Section 5
    Each house shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner, and under such penalties as each house may provide.
    Each house may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.
    Each house shall keep a journal of its proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such parts as may in their judgment require secrecy; and the yeas and nays of the members of either house on any question shall, at the desire of one-fifth of those present, be entered on the journal.
    Neither house, during the session of Congress, shall, without the consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other place than that in which the two houses shall be sitting.

    Article 1, Section 6
    The senators and representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. No law, varying the compensation for the services of the senators and representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either house, they shall not be questioned in any other place.
    No senator or representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no person holding any office under the United States, shall be a member of either house during his continuance in office.

    Article 1, Section 7
    All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills.
    Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approves, he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that house in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two-thirds of that house shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other house, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two-thirds of that house, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each house respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.
    Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

    Article 1, Section 8
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
    To establish an uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
    To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
    To establish post offices and post roads;
    To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
    To constitute tribunals inferior to the supreme court;
    To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
    To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
    To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
    To provide and maintain a navy;
    To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
    To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings;-and
    To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

    Article 1, Section 9
    The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
    No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.
    No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
    No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.
    No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay duties in another.
    No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    Article 1, Section 10
    No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant Letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of Debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
    No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.
    No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

    Article 2

    Article 2, Section 1
    The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows
    Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of senators and representatives to which the state may be entitled in the Congress: but no senator or representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
    The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; — The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.– The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.
    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
    In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
    The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.
    Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:—“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Article 2, Section 2
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
    He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two-thirds of the senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.
    The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

    Article 2, Section 3
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

    Article 2, Section 4
    The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Article 2, Section 5
    The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

    Article 3

    Article 3, Section 1
    The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behavior, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

    Article 3, Section 2
    The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;—to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;—to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;—to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;—to controversies between two or more states;—between citizens of different states;—between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
    The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state.
    In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
    The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

    Article 3, Section 3
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

    Article 4

    Article 4, Section 1
    Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

    Article 4, Section 2
    The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.
    A person charged in any state with treason, felony, or other crime, who shall flee from justice, and be found in another state, shall on demand of the executive authority of the state from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the state having jurisdiction of the crime.
    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Article 4, Section 3
    New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
    The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

    Article 4, Section 4
    The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

    Article 4, Section 5
    The citizens of each state have free movement across state lines.

    Article 4, Section 6
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    Article 5
    The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment, shall in any manner, affect the third clause in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

    Article 6
    All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the former Constitution.
    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
    The senators and representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
    No treaty, provision of a treaty, or other international agreement, which conflicts with this Constitution, shall authorize or permit any foreign power or any international organization to supervise, control, or adjudicate rights of citizens of the United States within the United States enumerated in this Constitution or any other matter essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of the United States and shall not be the supreme law of the land nor be of any force or effect.
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Article 7

    Article 7, Section 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Article 7, Section 2
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
    No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Article 7, Section 3
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
    Any citizen, who may have been wrongfully accused or imprisoned, shall be given the resources to understand the written legislative law enforcing their crime.

    Article 7, Section 4
    Except in the event of an invasion of the United States or its territorial possessions and attack upon its citizens residing therein, the authority of Congress to declare war shall not become effective until confirmed by a majority of all votes cast thereon in a nationwide referendum.

    Article 7, Section 5
    All human life has the absolute right to live and shall never be deprived of their natural birthright.

    1. List of changes I made.

      1. Grammar, capitalization and spelling.
      2. Preamble (Added a few more words. Added an official language.)
      3. Articles and sections are numbered.
      Article 1 (Replaced section 2 clause 3 with my own wording. Replaced section 4, clause 2 with the 20th amendments section 2. Added the proper placement of the 27th amendment to section 6, clause 1. Removed section 9, article 1.)
      Article 2 (Replaced section 2, clause 3 with the 12th amendment. Added clause 5 as the 20th amendments first half of section 1.)
      Article 4 (Replaced section 2, clause 3 with the 13th amendment. Added clause 5 as a right to free movement. Added a clause 6 as the 10th amendment.)
      Article 5 (Updated the wording of the entrenched clauses.)
      Article 6 (Replaced the word “Confederation” with “former Constitution” in clause 1. Added a clause 4 as the proposed Bricker amendment.)
      Article 7 (Replaced the original article 7 with the first 8 amendments of the bill of rights. Added a right to criminal information amendment in the end of section 3. Added the proposed Ludlow amendment as section 4. Added a sanctity of life amendment as section 5.)

      1. Also changed Article 3, Section 2. Would add the 11th amendment as the Clause 2. Taking out “between a State and Citizens of another State” from Clause 1.

  10. this proposed constitution contains little that will change the status quo. One change that is a must is term limits. as well as an age limit of 70. It’s time that old, mentally degenerating men and women stop running the country. Sixty-five was the agreed upon age for retirement until it needed to be extended for social security. Seventy is old enough. (by the way, I’m 70).

    Also, all rights in the bill of rights will only apply to legal citizens and those holding legal visas or papers. Being born to an illegal alien does not confer citizenship. No more illegal pregnant aliens coming here and giving birth to a US citizen. Citizenship and the commensurate rights, is a privilege that must be earned by those not born here of citizens.

    All companies doing business in the nation must abide by the bill of rights just as Congress does.
    No more Facebooks and Twitters censoring speech they don’t like. This applies to any public non-governmental forum as well.

    Get rid of the “a well regulated militia” phrase in Article 7, Section 2. The rights of the people to own and bear arms shall not be infringed or restricted. except in the case of conviction of a felony involving violence or the determination by at least 3 qualified mental health physicians that the person is a danger to him/herself or others. To provide law enforcement with adequate tracking of weapons used in a crime, all handguns will be registered with the state in which the individual resides. Rifles are exempt. All fully automatic weapons shall be illegal and possession considered a felony, except as used by law enforcement in the performance of their duties.

    This isn’t something that can be in the Constitution but all police academy courses should be two years including extensive sociology training. After three years on patrol duty, a police officer should be placed in an administrative position for no less than 3 months to “cool down” from the stress of dealing with the underbelly of society.

    I have many more stipulations but these are enough to start a decent conversation.

    1. Hi Rick,

      I think your suggestions are worth pondering (and thanks Nix for the draft Constitution).

      Regarding the rights you refer to in your second paragraph, Dr. Greg Johnson makes a distinction between what can be called “human rights” and “civil rights”. Human rights are for all people, while civil rights are only for citizens. For example, everybody might have a human right that his life not be terminated except through due process of law, but the civil right to own property or enter into an employment contract might be reserved for citizens only.

      I think your point about birthright citizenship is spot on. I would say that citizenship should require that both parents be citizens. This days, with advanced DNA technology, everybody’s DNA sequence could be kept in a database, both citizens, and anybody who ever visits, legally or illegally, could have their DNA in there as well. I think there are a lot of benefits in terms of paternity suits, rape allegations, citizenship questions, and crime statistics. However i don’t want to get too far afield of the topic of secession, so i’d just say we should make the science work for us.

  11. Secession.
    It’s a must.

    Sooner or later the drunk you are married to will beat you so severely that you will die.

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